The Center for Human Rights at the Catholic University of America has recently published an op-ed by Chen Guangcheng commemorating the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. To view this article, check the link in the description or go to humanrights.catholic.edu.
Will Deatherage: Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of The Barefoot Lawyer Reports on China. My name is Will Deatherage, the producer. Joining me as always is Chen Guangcheng.
Chen Guangcheng: Hello, Will. Hello, everyone. I’m glad to see you here again today.
W: Yeah. And today, Guangcheng, we are discussing a situation in communist China that has to do, potentially, with forced organ harvesting. Guangcheng, can you tell us what’s going on?
G: Yeah. That is, that happened, you know, last year on May 8th.
W: Of 2024?
G: Yeah. The person, his name is Luo Shuaiyu. He is a medical intern in Hunan Province. And one day, his family got a call from the hospital. They said, “Oh, your son jumped from the building and died.” The police said that he [committed] suicide. But, you know, his parents didn’t believe that.
W: Okay.
G: His parents said, “Our son was very happy.” But after that, the hospital asked the parents to sign a secret contract.
W: Okay. What was in the secret contract?
G: Yeah. [They said] if you sign that, they will pay around 800,000 RMB – not dollars, RMB – which is around 110,000 American dollars. And Luo Shuaiyu’s father wanted to get them something back, so he signed the contract.
W: Gotcha.
G: When his father got his computer and cellphone, all the information was deleted. And his father thought maybe [there’s] some problem behind this. He believed his son was not suicidal. So, he found a computer engineer.
W: Okay.
G: And [he] helped him to recover the deleted information.
W: All right.
G: And he found in the computer more than 11,000 documents. The documents [were] about organ transplants, maybe organ harvesting.
W: Okay, okay.
G: Yeah. And he found two recordings and a video. The two recordings [were] Luo Shuaiyu recording in their office. The doctor discussing [this], said, “If the money doesn’t arrive by August, just cut the intestines.”
Another doctor said, “Oh, if we cut the intestines, do you think the person still can live?” Another doctor said, “Ignore that. Maybe the person’s lucky.” And the video, that is Luo Shuaiyu talk[ing] by himself. He said, “I recorded this video, just wanted to let you know: I will not kill myself.”
“But if you watch this video, it means I cannot tell you the truth.” The meaning is, “Someone killed me.” And, you know, after he died, from his phone, someone used his phone [to] send a message to the hospital [which] said, “Luo Shuaiyu had some problem.” If Luo Shuaiyu sent the message, he would’ve said, “I had a problem. I got in trouble. Please come here to help me.” Right?
W: Right.
G: He will not say, “Oh, Luo Shuaiyu had [a] problem.”
W: Yeah, speaking in the third person there.
G: Yeah, yeah. So, later, because his father refused to be silent, he [kept] exposing the information online from his son’s computer. Now, in mainland China, the netizens [are] talking about this a lot. But the CCP asks the people online to delete all the information.
And then later, someone went to check the building Luo Shuaiyu jumped from, and that is 15 stories. [It’d be] very, very difficult if someone tried to jump from there.
And someone found something in that room: his glasses on the floor and broken, and some blood on his bed.
W: Oh, wow.
G: Yeah. Looks like someone fought there [for] some time. So, the people think maybe someone or some people killed him first, then threw him from the building to the ground.
W: Gotcha.
G: Yeah. So, the normal people never believed [that], what police said, that is the truth.
W: So, Guangcheng, the documents on his computer and his phone about the organ transplants; what was the CCP… Do you think that they were concerned about those? Or can you tell us more about what they found?
G: In my experience, I think the CCP now is worried.
W: Okay.
G: And they are thinking [about] how to make the parents silent.
W: Right.
G: They tried to destroy or to take away the computer and the cellphone.
W: Right. Why do you think they did… Like, what do you think their big concern with those documents is? What do you think that the documents expose?
G: Because if all the documents expose [the CCP], that will tell the whole world the hospitals in mainland China are doing organ harvesting.
And another problem is that, before, the CCP said, “That is not true. This is a hospital that doesn’t do organ harvesting.” But later, because more and more people exposed that and showed proof, later the CCP had to check the hospital. And [they] found one vice-director, his name is Liu Xiangfeng.
And he did a lot…He was paid to do organ transplants, but was fired and put in prison by the CCP. In the court, Liu Xiangfeng said that is true, he did. No one believed he was the only one. How many people lost their organs and how much money [did] the hospital get the illegal way? And the hospital [was] very, very, very happy to receive central officials there.
Usually, when central officials go to the hospital, they will pay a lot of money. Yeah, this is why the hospital so wants the officials to come to their hospital.
W: And there were a lot of officials going to this one, Guangcheng?
G: I think, yeah.
W: Right. Well, those are the ones that can get the organ transplants the most, right, Guangcheng?
G: Yeah, yeah.
W: Yeah. And, you know, we’ll keep updating all of you guys on this story. And in the meantime, we encourage you to, you know, look in the description of this episode. We’ll have a link to a man who claims to be a survivor of organ harvesting. It’s one of the only English interviews on the subject, Dr. Sen Nieh from the Center for Human Rights at Catholic University.
G: Yeah, every year, more than three million people disappear. [There are] a lot of cameras in mainland China but, very difficult to find them.
W: Right, right, yeah. Well, we’ll continue reporting on this and we encourage you to check out our website, humanrights.catholic.edu. Guangcheng, thank you so much for sharing this with us.
G: Okay, thank you. Will, yeah, thank you, yeah.
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